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Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

Greg N — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:48:26 -0000

Irony: Every analyst who builds a list/quadrant/cycle that ranks or profiles companies inevitably creates an even larger list of antagonists... who either didn't get mentioned, don't understand the formula/ranking, despise any focus on early stage technology companies because of their own legacy, or simply don't like the idea of cool, or magic, or hype cycles or... etc.

I've been at companies treated fairly and unfairly in such efforts; been left out and highlighted. I think its "cool" when analysts, bloggers etc come up with their own rankings and stand by them.

Lets face it... the web is filled with overlapping yet contradictory vendor claims, confusion, promises etc... is it all bad that third parties step up and articulate what they think in a way that draws attention to emerging technologies?

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

Dave G. — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:22:59 -0000

Abner:

Indeed that is cool. Been too long, email me!

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

Abner — Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:49:30 -0000

Heh. Just when I was planning on writing a report on you guys. Well not really I don't cover this space anymore.

"Coolness" in my book is measured by companies that solve hard problems and have a balance sheet to prove it.

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

Ivan Arce — Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:08:24 -0000

ok, so what is this generalized obsession with metrics? As a biased party (my company is "cool" according to Gartner) I can only say that somethings are not measureable with metrics and are subjective: If you are in the infosec. industry you have your preferences, some things seem cool to you (like the SunOS div/0 bug or zaleski's stange attractors) and some things seem very uncool -erhm lame?- like XSS bugs but they're completly unrelated to their current market value or correctness

I do not see any evident business or technological value in being 'cool', it's just something handy for a Wild on Defcon episode of E! and for us to joke about at the bar.
And no, you can't buy your way to the coolness valhalla, that would be totally uncool

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

monkchips — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:44:24 -0000

didn't their cool practice owner recently leave to join a vendor

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

Dan Geer — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:09:53 -0000

Fabulous quadrants, Sir.

The metric you seek could either be how much coolness
you can buy for $X or how many dollars are required
for Y Cool-ocity. The normalization problem is, of
course, hard as no one intuitively believes any analyst
except when they say nice things about you (as a vendor)
or when you are trying to defend a bad purchase ex post
facto (as an end-user). While it may be true that
no one was ever fired for buying IBM and/or Microsoft,
is it true that no one was ever fired when the product
bought had a four-star coolness ranking? It is,
naturally, very difficult to resist being flattered by
imitation, so if your idea is really and truly cool
your dollar cost of having it called cool will be zero
as the analyst folks know, if they know nothing else,
that they must see where their people are going so that
they may lead them. I say this having had Gartner
declare on 9 October 2003 that monoculture was dangerous,
for which I am provably still remembering to be grateful.

Re: You’re so cool, clarencenetworks.com, you’re so cool…

anonymous — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:14:28 -0000

Foundstone gave a sales pitch at my former company.
After they left, we agreed we couldn't budget them.
"But hey, wasn't cool how they all wore black".